Concise Minutes - Finance Committee

Meeting Venue: Hybrid - Committee

room 4 Ty Hywel and video conference

via Zoom

Meeting date: Wednesday, 3 July 2024

Meeting time: 09.30 - 12.14
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/13972

Hybrid

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Attendance

Category	Names
Members of the Senedd:	Peredur Owen Griffiths MS (Chair) Peter Fox MS Mike Hedges MS Rhianon Passmore MS
Witnesses:	Rebecca Evans MS, Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office Sarah Govier, Welsh Government Julian Revell, Welsh Government Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care Alistair Davey, Welsh Government Anthony Jordan, Welsh Government
Committee Staff:	Owain Roberts (Clerk) Leanne Hatcher (Second Clerk) Cerian Jones (Second Clerk) Mike Lewis (Deputy Clerk) Christian Tipples (Researcher) Owen Holzinger (Researcher) Ben Harris (Legal Adviser) Catherine McKeag (Citizen Engagement Manager)

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Registration

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Private Pre-meeting

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1 Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting of the Finance Committee.

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2 Paper(s) to note

2.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee and agreed to write back with information on the Welsh Government scrutiny process for 2025-26.

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2.1 PTN 1 - Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee Petition P-06-1437 Increase, don’t cut, funding for the National Library, Amgueddfa Cymru and the Royal Commission - 26 June 2024

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3 Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations: Evidence session 8

3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Rebecca Evans MS, Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office; Sarah Govier, Head of Intergovernmental Relations, Welsh Treasury; and Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis, Welsh Treasury.

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Break

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4 Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session

4.1 The Committee took evidence on the financial implications of the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill from Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care; Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate; and Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate.

4.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for Social Care with additional questions that weren’t reached during the evidence session.

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5 Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting and start of the meeting on 18 July

5.1 The motion was agreed.

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6 Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations: Consideration of evidence

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

6.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office with additional questions that weren’t reached during the evidence session.

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7 Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Consideration of evidence

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

7.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for Social Care with additional questions that weren’t reached during the evidence session.

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8 The Land Transaction Tax and Anti-Avoidance of Devolved Taxes (Wales) Act 2017 (Amendments to Schedule 5) Regulations 2024

8.1 The Committee considered the Legal Services note on the Land Transaction Tax and Anti-Avoidance of Devolved Taxes (Wales) Act 2017 (Amendments to Schedule 5) Regulations 2024 and agreed to take no further action.

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9 Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26: Finance Committee Summary Engagement Report

9.1 The Committee noted its summary engagement report on scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26.

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10 Committee Ways of Working and Development

10.1 The Committee considered the paper on the Committee’s ways of working and development; and noted the training and development brochure provided by the Member Learning and Engagement Team.

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